Nov
19
http://www.adreason.com/ got this link in my email. I went to the site and they CLAIM to be able to electrically separate the hydrogen bond from water to create hydrogen fuel.
My statement is this. If it were THAT easy, we would ALL be doing it. Plus, ther is that one Oxygen molecule left, which means its monoxide, if i understand that right.
Is this product knowledge they sell scientifically legit, or is it B|_| |_ |_ $#/T?
In the ad, they mistakenly imply that the car will combust water to create the kinetic energy. Water will eat the metal away. I think I caught them in a lie.
Can I get some legitimate scientific feedback on what I think is a total scam?
Thanks.
danstanator… yes, my chemistry *****…or as you may know it, a vacuum. Im an electrical/framework/circuit minded person, and i figured the electricity needed was going to be a LOT more than this provides (they even say they get better reactive energy by using baking soda, i dont see the EXTENSIVE difference, but thats my lack of chem know-how showing)
I had read in this ad that they talk about the use of water in the engine. the steam would corrode the metal, the way they imply it. I think they meant used in COOLING jackets currently, and the HYDROGEN, FROM the water, as the fuel. but they dont come out and SAY that, and I think its misleading.
VALENTINE
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LAWRENCE
It isnt a total scam, this is real but it probably goes pretty slow. Wouldn’t you agree.
MILES
this is actually possible. BMW made a hydrogen car a few years back. the reason nobody uses it though is beruse it is very expensive to run a car off of hydrogen. somehow they store the excess water and rejoin it with the leftover oxygen and release exaust as water making it emmision free (or something like that). i would look into how BMW made theres or what research there is on it.
RONALD
We can burn water now…
It’s not actually pure h20, it’s salt water.
When salt water is exposed to a certain radio wave, it weakens the bonds and allows a combustions reaction to occur.
MICHAEL
The tehnology works just fine. The problem is this - it takes more electrical energy to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get back out of the hydrogen when you use it in the car. That is why nobody uses it - it isn’t practical or efficient. As soon as somebody figures out a practical way to isolate elemental hydrogen, this technology is what everyone will use all of the time.
TREVOR
There’s nothing illegitimate about running a car on ‘water’.
You can split water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis (running an electric current through the water).
You can then collect the hydrogen. The extra oxygen leaves as O2 usually, by combining with oxygen in the atmosphere and other oxygen molecules released.
If you then ignite the hydrogen in the presence of oxygen, it will explode and combine with the oxygen to create water again. In the process, you can use the explosion to drive a piston or some other device to do useful work for you.
So why aren’t we all doing this? Well for one, containing hydrogen is difficult, much more so than gasoline. Additionally, even if you do manage to store it, you usually can’t store very much of it (since it’s a gas at room temperature), so that leaves you with comparatively little fuel as well (so that you can’t go as far without re-fueling).
And lastly, you still need to put that electric energy in to get out the hydrogen. in the process, you lose energy to heat and what not, so it’s very possible that the process is significantly less efficient than just using gasoline or a battery (for an electric car).
MAXIMO
That’s not hard to believe, since hydrogen cars do exist. It is, in fact, not that easy, as it is very expensive and requires advanced technology, but it is sold on the market in Europe and the US. This is not B|_| |_ |_ $#/T, as you say, but is very real. I doubt you have very advanced knowledge of chemistry, because the Oxygen (which is an atom by the way) will form an O2 molecule which can be released into the air or reused for other purposes. There is nothing wrong in saying that the water will create the kinetic energy, because that’s what it does, and I do not see how you understood that it would eat the metal away. Hydrogen cars are actually very efficient and eco-friendly, the principal disadvantages being the price and the difficult storage of the hydrogen.
KURT
There are a bunch of these sites. They are all scams. There is no technical validity. That is why few people use them.
HHO is a marketing scheme way to denote water (H2O). The supposed implication is that you have H and HO separate. They use a cell using 12V DC from the alternator to supposedly dissociate tiny amounts of water (typical claim is a pint per five hundred miles), and inject both the hydrogen and oxygen into the gasoline line. It is certainly possible to dissociate small amounts of water; it’s a common chemistry demonstration. However, putting both into the gasoline, they are not likely to stay dissociated. In addition, the tiny amount of energy would make no measurable difference on mileage.
You know in your heart that you don’t get something for nothing - putting a tiny box on your engine to double your mileage - using just water, no less! - is such an obvious scam.
Some of the other respondents seem to support this nonsense: they are either hydrogen fuel advocates that didn’t look at the site, they believe in perpetual motion machines instead of science, or are working with the website to sell it to unsuspecting victims. There’s a sucker born every minute. Don’t let it be you by wasting your money on this scam!
See a more detailed article courtesy of Bill Russell here:
VINCE
You could make an engine “burn” water, but you would also need a reactive metal which releases hydrogen on contact with the water (If I remember correctly potassium does this?). After a while the metal would need to be renewed, or a process started to “get it back”. That will take (at least) the same amount of energy to do, as was released.
You can get hydrogen (hydrogen, and oxygen, not hydrogen monoxide) from water, but it takes electrical power to do. It’s called electrolysis, and is an important part of electrochemistry.
Seems to be me that IF (and it’s a big IF) they’ve done what they claim, all they have is what amounts to a rechargeable battery. A metal reacting with water, could be a good way to “store” hydrogen for use in a hydrogen powered car, but all it would be is a kind of hydrogen battery, (and efficiencies are likely to be low)
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Anyone who says the only emission from a hydrogen powered internal combustion engines is water simply doesn’t understand how the pollutants are formed (NB fuel cells ARE very different different!). Much of the pollutants comes from the components of the air (nitrogen) being subjected to high temp/pressures, where it becomes oxides of nitrogen. Hydrogen (in oxygen) will burn hotter than “normal” fuels, making the problem worse not better!
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A mixture of H+ and HO- gas would be unstable and would want to react immediately/explosively on contact with each other. You only get those ions in solution of water, or in high temperature gases (where part of the “heat” of the gas is locked up in the dissociated gases. The “continuous explosion” of the mixture helps keep it hot. but untill it’s all disociated prevents the temperature rising much). In an engine dissociation reduces the maximum temperature, which I guess would reduce the risk of detonation etc, but dissociation tends to reduce overall efficiency. Carnot’s engines (ALL real engines are less efficient than it. It’s also where a lot of the practical applications of thermodynamics come from) have a efficiency that’s dependant on the difference between the maximum, and minimum temperatures within the engine.
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Think steam is only really a corrosion problem if there is air in the steam, or its “wet steam” (ie not superheated)
OR if you’re using aluminium (or another metal that relies on a layer of oxide to prevent corrosion), as superheated steam will strip the oxide layer. Many Victorian steam engines are still running (in steam museums) and they’re made from metal!
VICENTE
The concept you describe is to generate “HHO gas” - the hydrogen and oxygen from electrically disassociated water mixed together - and add it to the air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine. This lets you run the engine slightly leaner and thus save fuel. The gas is generated in the car in an electrolysis cell powered from the engine’s electrical alternator when the engine is running as the HHO gas is very explosive and should never be stored.
The energy balance can apparently come out OK, you can save a bit more in fuel due to the lean burn than you lose generating the electricity to disassociate the water’s hydrogen and oxygen. The problem is that the electrolysis cell itself isn’t cheap and requires chemicals to work: salt is cheap but doesn’t work well plus tends to produce corrosive byproducts. So the total cost to operate the HHO generator kills the thing, economically. You save a bit in gas mileage but spend more than the cash savings on financing the generator and installation plus regularly replacing the chemicals.
KIRK
just a note.
It is possible to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen on a vehicle (using electricity) and feed it into an engine to burn. A guy at my work drives his truck that he modified to run this way. So it most certainly can be done.
As shown in the video though probably not.
reasons why it isn’t done include
1. extreme damage to our economy
2. Loss of large profits by big oil
3. Lack or research and little development
SPENCER
Wow, you stirred up the shills. Most of these replies are people who work for the SCAM artists and get a commission.
This is a total SCAM, no question about it.
HHO is BS, it’s just H2 and O2 mixed, a very dangerous mixture.
These do not work, they are a total scam. You will always consume more electricity electrolyzing the water than you can get back by combusting the gases. Not even close.
This is not just my opinion, but hard scientific fact.
Just think, if you could generate electric power from nothing, every auto manufacturer would be knocking on your door. Even more, we could shut down every coal, oil, nuclear, wind, solar power plant and use this method. But, sad to say, you can never get something from nothing, so we will have to stick with our fossil fuels and hope nuclear/solar/wind power comes on line in time.
for more info, see:
SHERMAN
Not only is it possible , I see one run everyday when I go to work , They developed one that’s been running for 6 months straight everyday, The problem is with the federal permitting process they won’t let you do it for some reason it’s a catalytic reaction to a proprietary combination fo metals and electrical charge ( low Volt ) recharged by conventional alternator. That’s all I can really divulge but don’t fool yourselves they want to sell Oil plain and simple